Ancient Claw/Guide

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TL;DR

Farm the Ancient Claw Fragment (item).svg Ancient Claw Fragments with the Slicing Winds (spell).svg Slicing Winds build right after you finish 100 Volcanic Cave (dungeon).svg Volcanic Caves.

Introduction

Ancient Claw (item).svg Ancient Claw is largely the best melee weapon that does not require late-game content to obtain.

The Ancient Claw is assembled from the Ancient Claw Fragment (item).svg fragments that drop only from the Pegasus (monster).svg Pegasus. You need to kill 3333 Pegasus (monster).svg Pegasi on average to get enough fragments.

The question is when to farm it and what combat style is the best for that. The main point of contention is whether to farm it before or after the Volcanic Cave (dungeon).svg Volcanic Cave because this dungeon is farmed with a Melee build and is vital for idling the Air God Dungeon (dungeon).svg Air God Dungeon.

To answer these questions, we will consider the following builds:

These builds were chosen to show the changes that the various drops bring into farming the Pegasus. The ranged builds were not considered because the Pegasus (monster).svg Pegasus is Combat.svg Melee and has the highest evasion against Ranged (skill).svg Ranged in addition to the Combat Triangle.

In the considered situations, no prayers, potions, or other buffs are enabled unless specified.
The skill levels are given so that you can replicate the simulations in the Combat Simulator.
The Auto Eat - Tier III (upgrade).svg Auto Eat - Tier III is used.
The Whale (Perfect) (item).png Whale (Perfect) was used as a food of choice because it was considered a middle ground between starting out and being fully leveled out in Firemaking, Fishing, Farming, and Cooking.

The ring slot is always occupied with Magical Ring (item).svg Magical Ring.

Builds

The simulations were done for Hardcore.svg Hardcore with all skills on level 75.

All intermediate steps can be found in this spreadsheet (link).

Fire Surge (spell).svg Surge magic

Item DR
Slayer Wizard Hat (Strong) (item).svg Slayer Wizard Hat (Strong) 0%
Slayer Wizard Robes (Strong) (item).svg Slayer Wizard Robes (Strong) 0%
Fire Expert Wizard Bottoms (item).svg Fire Expert Wizard Bottoms 5%
Fire Expert Wizard Boots (item).svg Fire Expert Wizard Boots 5%
Miolite Shield (item).svg Miolite Shield 2%
Enchanted Cape (item).svg Enchanted Cape 0%
Amulet of Magic (item).svg Amulet of Magic 0%
Paladin Gloves (item).svg Paladin Gloves 4%
Magic Wand (Powerful) (item).svg Magic Wand (Powerful) 0%
Total 16%

The grind time with this build is 122 hour.
However, pay attention that it would be more than 283 hours without the Slayer gear.

Sunset Rapier (item).svg Rapier melee

Item DR
Slayer Helmet (Strong) (item).svg Slayer Helmet (Strong) 0%
Slayer Platebody (Strong) (item).svg Slayer Platebody (Strong) 0%
(G) Dragon Platelegs (item).svg (G) Dragon Platelegs 6%
(G) Dragon Boots (item).svg (G) Dragon Boots 6%
(G) Dragon Shield (item).svg (G) Dragon Shield 6%
Amulet of Calculated Promotion (item).svg Promotion or Amulet of Glory (item).svg Glory 0%
Paladin Gloves (item).svg Paladin Gloves 4%
Sunset Rapier (item).svg Sunset Rapier 0%
Total 22%

The grind time with this build is 67 hours.
If you don't use the Slayer gear, the grind time with this build will be 142 hours.

Slicing Winds (spell).svg Slicing Winds magic

Item DR
Ancient Wizard Hat (item).svg Ancient Wizard Hat 5%
Ancient Wizard Robes (item).svg Ancient Wizard Robes 5%
Ancient Wizard Bottoms (item).svg Ancient Wizard Bottoms 5%
Ancient Wizard Boots (item).svg Ancient Wizard Boots 5%
Miolite Shield (item).svg Miolite Shield 2%
Enchanted Cape (item).svg Enchanted Cape 0%
Elite Amulet of Magic (item).svg Elite Amulet of Magic 2%
Elementalist Gloves (item).svg Elementalist Gloves 0%
Magic Wand (Powerful) (item).svg Magic Wand (Powerful) 0%
Total 24%

You need Magic Level 88 for this build.
With the following setup, you should have a bit more than 20k accuracy on Slicing Winds (spell).svg Slicing Winds, which means they won't miss at all.

Warning: Swapping Miolite Shield (item).svg Miolite Shield to Book of Eli (item).svg Book of Eli will only increase the clear time because your melee defence would plummet, resulting in much more food eaten.

Overall, you want to put as much DR and Melee defence as possible when maintaining the 20k accuracy.

For instance, if you have higher Magic (skill).svg Magic, you might be able to swap Enchanted Cape (item).svg Enchanted Cape with Fire Cape (item).svg Fire Cape and reduce the food consumption even further.

The grind time with this build is 48 hours. The slayer gear doesn't add to the clear speed in this case.

Glacia God Helmet (item).svg Glacia magic

Item DR
Glacia God Helmet (item).svg Glacia God Helmet 8%
Glacia God Platebody (item).svg Glacia God Platebody 8%
Glacia God Platelegs (item).svg Glacia God Platelegs 8%
Glacia God Boots (item).svg Glacia God Boots 8%
Glacia God Gloves (item).svg Glacia God Gloves 8%
Miolite Shield (item).svg Miolite Shield 2%
Infernal Cape (item).svg Infernal Cape 4%
Elite Amulet of Magic (item).svg Elite Amulet of Magic 2%
Magic Wand (Powerful) (item).svg Magic Wand (Powerful) 0%
Total 48%

The grind time with this build is 44 hours.

However, this build implies that you go through the Air God Dungeon (dungeon).svg Air God Dungeon with Sunset Rapier (item).svg Sunset Rapier, which is a sizeable loss of DPS that will cost you more than 4 hours of the difference between this build and the Slicing Winds build.

Analysis

Essentially, we want to know which of two sequences is faster:

  • Rapier > Claw > Volcano,
  • Rapier > Volcano > Claw.

Full-Sunset Volcano vs Full-Claw Volcano

Let's consider the builds Rapier and Slicing Winds.

The difference between their timings of completing the Ancient Claw (item).svg claw is 19 hours.

The Volcano grind of the full (G) Ancient Helmet (item).svg ancient set is longer with the with Sunset Rapier (item).svg Sunset Rapier than it is with the Claw.

The question is then if the difference between the Sunset Rapier (item).svg rapier and the Ancient Claw (item).svg claw in the Volcanic grind is bigger than 19 hours.

We know the length of "Rapier > Claw" and "Volcano > Claw", but we need the data on "Rapier > Volcano" and "Claw > Volcano".

We take this data from Volcanic Cave/Guide#Weapon choice.

Item Adjusted clears per hour
Sunset Rapier (item).svg Sunset Rapier 5.204
Ancient Claw (item).svg Ancient Claw 5.412

The goal of clearing the Volcanic Cave (dungeon).svg Volcanic Cave is to get the (G) Ancient Helmet (item).svg ancient set.

As specified on in the Volcanic Cave/Guide, you need 1350 clears to almost certainly get a full set of Ancient armor or 832 clears to have a 75% chance. The median (50% or results) is 564 clears.

Item Adjusted clears per hour 564 clears (h) 832 clears (h) 1350 clears (h)
Sunset Rapier (item).svg Sunset Rapier 5.204 108.4 160 259.4
Ancient Claw (item).svg Ancient Claw 5.412 104.2 153.7 249.5
Difference (h) 4.2 6.3 10.1

The biggest difference is 10 hours. It means that Rapier>Volcano>Claw is faster than Rapier>Claw>Volcano by at least 9 hours.

However, what if we were to use the Ancient Magicks as soon as we unlock it?

Sunset/Ancient Volcano vs Claw/Ancient Volcano

It is possible to clear the Volcano using the Ancient Magicks with the build from Volcanic Cave/Guide#100-Volcanoes Magic. Pay attention that you need 37% DR with 920 Hitpoints (skill).svg HP to idle it. That amount of DR is reached either through the Stone Skin (prayer).svg Stone Skin prayer or through the Damage Reduction Potion II (item).svg DR potion II. Without prayer or potions, you need 940 Hitpoints (skill).svg HP.

If we consider that we clear only 100 Volcanoes as a melee build and the rest as the 100-Volcanoes Magic build, then we compare the two sequences:

  • Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes,
  • 100 Rapier Volcanoes + Claw farm with Ancient Magicks.
Item Adjusted clears per hour 100 clears (h)
Sunset Rapier (item).svg Sunset Rapier 5.204 52.04
Ancient Claw (item).svg Ancient Claw 5.412 54.12
Difference (h) 2.08

In other words, the advantage of farming 100 Volcanic Cave (dungeon).svg Volcanic Caves with the Ancient Claw (item).svg Ancient Claw when compared to the Sunset Rapier (item).svg Sunset Rapier is 2 hours.

Now we consider the rearranged sum of what we compare:

  • Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes,
  • Claw farm with Slicing Winds + 100 Rapier Volcanoes.

We subtract the second row from the first one and get

[math]19 - 2.08 = 16.92[/math]

In other words the sequence where we farm the Claw after the Volcano is faster than the sequence of farming the claw with Rapier by 17 hours.

Conclusion

Farm the Ancient Claw (item).svg Ancient Claw with the Slicing Winds (spell).svg Slicing Winds build right after you finish 100 Volcanic Cave (dungeon).svg Volcanic Caves. Don't forget to enable the Surge aurora.

If you cannot use this build for some reason, then use the Rapier melee build with Slayer gear.