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===TL;DR=== | |||
Farm the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw Fragment|Ancient Claw Fragments}} with the {{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell|Slicing Winds}} build right after you finish {{ZoneIcon|Volcanic Cave|qty=100|Volcanic Caves}}. | |||
===Introduction=== | ===Introduction=== | ||
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To answer these questions, we will consider the following builds: | To answer these questions, we will consider the following builds: | ||
* {{Icon|Fire Surge|type=spell|Surge}} magic, | * {{Icon|Fire Surge|type=spell|Surge}} magic, | ||
* {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} melee, | * {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier|Rapier}} melee, | ||
* | * {{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell}} magic, | ||
* | * {{ItemIcon|Glacia God Helmet|Glacia}} magic. | ||
These builds were chosen to show the changes that the various drops bring into farming the Pegasus. The ranged builds were not considered because the {{Icon|Pegasus|type=monster}} is {{Icon|Melee}} and has the highest evasion against {{Skill|Ranged}} in addition to the [[Combat Triangle]]. | These builds were chosen to show the changes that the various drops bring into farming the Pegasus. The ranged builds were not considered because the {{Icon|Pegasus|type=monster}} is {{Icon|Melee}} and has the highest evasion against {{Skill|Ranged}} in addition to the [[Combat Triangle]]. | ||
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===Builds=== | ===Builds=== | ||
====Surge magic==== | |||
The simulations were done for {{Icon|Hardcore}} with all skills on level 75. | |||
All intermediate steps can be found in this spreadsheet ([https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GTuVLA0lWguB-72hiLNLmwAxNLNY0gSqkPGHpGmydHk/edit?usp=sharing link]). | |||
===={{Icon|Fire Surge|type=spell|Surge}} magic==== | |||
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The grind time with this build is 122 hour.<br> | |||
However, pay attention that it would be more than 283 hours without the Slayer gear. | |||
The | |||
====Sunset Rapier melee==== | ===={{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier|Rapier}} melee==== | ||
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The | The grind time with this build is 67 hours.<br> | ||
If you don't use the Slayer gear, the grind time with this build will be 142 hours. | |||
===={{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell}} magic==== | |||
| | |||
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| 2% | | 2% | ||
|- | |- | ||
| {{ItemIcon| | | {{ItemIcon|Skull Cape}} | ||
| | | 3% | ||
|- | |- | ||
| {{ItemIcon|Elite Amulet of Magic}} | | {{ItemIcon|Elite Amulet of Magic}} | ||
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| 24% | | 24% | ||
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Your first goal with this build is to reach 20k accuracy for {{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell}}, which means the spell won't miss at all. Therefore, while the build only requires {{SkillReq|Magic|72}} at minimum, you will need at most level {{SkillReq|Magic|93}} or multiple Accuracy bonuses from various other skills to achieve 20k Accuracy Rating, including: | |||
* {{ItemIcon|Magic Assistance Potion|Magic Assistance Potions}} | |||
* {{Skill|Astrology}} | |||
* {{Skill|Prayer}} | |||
* {{Skill|Agility}} | |||
{{Icon|Surge I|type=aurora}} or {{Icon|Surge II|type=aurora}} can be used if you can afford them. | |||
Worth noting that using a {{ItemIcon|Mystic Air Staff}} will ''drastically'' reduce the amount of runes spent - especially while using Surge Auroras. The staff will be slower, and will require more | |||
Warning: Swapping {{ItemIcon|Miolite Shield}} to {{ItemIcon|Book of Eli}} will not positively affect your kill times that much, while also forcing you to spend more runes/time Runecrafting. | |||
The | The grind time with this build is 48 hours. The slayer gear doesn't add to the clear speed in this case. | ||
===={{ItemIcon|Glacia God Helmet|Glacia}} magic==== | |||
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The grind time with this build is 44 hours. | |||
However, this build implies that you go through the {{ZoneIcon|Air God Dungeon}} with {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}}, which is a sizeable loss of DPS that will cost you more than 4 hours of the difference between this build and the Slicing Winds build. | |||
==Analysis== | ==Analysis== | ||
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====Full-Sunset Volcano vs Full-Claw Volcano==== | ====Full-Sunset Volcano vs Full-Claw Volcano==== | ||
Let's consider the | Let's consider the builds Rapier and Slicing Winds. | ||
The difference between their timings of completing the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} is | The difference between their timings of completing the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} is 19 hours. | ||
The Volcano grind of the full {{ItemIcon|(G) Ancient Helmet|ancient}} set is longer with the with {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} than it is with the Claw. | The Volcano grind of the full {{ItemIcon|(G) Ancient Helmet|ancient}} set is longer with the with {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} than it is with the Claw. | ||
The question is then if the difference between the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier|rapier}} and the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} in the Volcanic grind is bigger than | The question is then if the difference between the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier|rapier}} and the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} in the Volcanic grind is bigger than 19 hours. | ||
We know the length of " | We know the length of "Rapier > Claw" and "Volcano > Claw", but we need the data on "Rapier > Volcano" and "Claw > Volcano". | ||
We take this data from [[Volcanic Cave/Guide#Weapon choice]]. | We take this data from [[Volcanic Cave/Guide#Weapon choice]]. | ||
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! Item | ! Item | ||
! Adjusted | ! Adjusted clears per hour | ||
|- | |- | ||
| {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} | | {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} | ||
| | | 5.204 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} | | {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} | ||
| | | 5.412 | ||
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! Item | ! Item | ||
! Adjusted | ! Adjusted clears per hour | ||
! 564 clears (h) | ! 564 clears (h) | ||
! 832 clears (h) | ! 832 clears (h) | ||
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| {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} | | {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} | ||
| | | 5.204 | ||
| | | 108.4 | ||
| | | 160 | ||
| | | 259.4 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} | | {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} | ||
| | | 5.412 | ||
| | | 104.2 | ||
| | | 153.7 | ||
| | | 249.5 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| Difference (h) | | Difference (h) | ||
| | | | ||
| | | 4.2 | ||
| | | 6.3 | ||
| | | 10.1 | ||
|} | |} | ||
The biggest difference is 10 hours. It means that Rapier>Volcano>Claw is faster than Rapier>Claw>Volcano by at least 9 hours. | |||
However, what if we were to use the [[Ancient Magicks]] as soon as we unlock it? | However, what if we were to use the [[Ancient Magicks]] as soon as we unlock it? | ||
====Sunset/Ancient Volcano vs Claw/Ancient Volcano==== | ====Sunset/Ancient Volcano vs Claw/Ancient Volcano==== | ||
It is possible to clear the Volcano using the Ancient Magicks with the build from [[Volcanic Cave/Guide#100-Volcanoes Magic]]. Pay attention that you need 37% DR with {{Skill|Hitpoints|qty=920|HP}} to idle it. That amount of DR is reached either through the {{Icon|Stone Skin|type=prayer}} prayer or through the {{ItemIcon|Damage Reduction Potion II|DR potion II}}. | It is possible to clear the Volcano using the Ancient Magicks with the build from [[Volcanic Cave/Guide#100-Volcanoes Magic]]. Pay attention that you need 37% DR with {{Skill|Hitpoints|qty=920|HP}} to idle it. That amount of DR is reached either through the {{Icon|Stone Skin|type=prayer}} prayer or through the {{ItemIcon|Damage Reduction Potion II|DR potion II}}. Without prayer or potions, you need {{Skill|Hitpoints|qty=940|HP}}. | ||
If we consider that we clear only 100 Volcanoes as a melee build and the rest as the [[Volcanic Cave/Guide#100-Volcanoes Magic|100-Volcanoes]] Magic build, then we compare the two sequences: | If we consider that we clear only 100 Volcanoes as a melee build and the rest as the [[Volcanic Cave/Guide#100-Volcanoes Magic|100-Volcanoes]] Magic build, then we compare the two sequences: | ||
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! Item | ! Item | ||
! Adjusted | ! Adjusted clears per hour | ||
! 100 clears (h) | ! 100 clears (h) | ||
|- | |- | ||
| {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} | | {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} | ||
| | | 5.204 | ||
| 52. | | 52.04 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} | | {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} | ||
| | | 5.412 | ||
| | | 54.12 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| scope="row" colspan="2" | Difference (h) | | scope="row" colspan="2" | Difference (h) | ||
| | | 2.08 | ||
|} | |} | ||
In other words, the advantage of farming 100 Volcanic Caves with the Claw when compared to the Sunset Rapier is | In other words, the advantage of farming 100 {{ZoneIcon|Volcanic Cave|Volcanic Caves}} with the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} when compared to the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} is 2 hours. | ||
Now we consider the rearranged sum of what we compare: | |||
* Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes, | * Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes, | ||
* Claw farm with | * Claw farm with Slicing Winds + 100 Rapier Volcanoes. | ||
We subtract the second row from the first one and get | |||
<math> | <math>19 - 2.08 = 16.92</math> | ||
In other words the sequence where we farm the Claw after the Volcano is faster than the sequence of farming the claw with Rapier by | In other words the sequence where we farm the Claw after the Volcano is faster than the sequence of farming the claw with Rapier by 17 hours. | ||
==Conclusion== | ==Conclusion== | ||
Farm the Ancient Claw with the {{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell | Farm the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw}} with the {{Icon|Slicing Winds|type=spell}} build right after you finish {{ZoneIcon|Volcanic Cave|qty=100|Volcanic Caves}}. Don't forget to enable the Surge aurora. | ||
If you cannot | If you cannot use this build for some reason, then use the Rapier melee build with Slayer gear. | ||
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Revision as of 04:12, 14 June 2022
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TL;DR
Farm the Ancient Claw Fragments with the Slicing Winds build right after you finish 100 Volcanic Caves.
Introduction
Ancient Claw is largely the best melee weapon that does not require late-game content to obtain.
The Ancient Claw is assembled from the fragments that drop only from the Pegasus. You need to kill 3333 Pegasi on average to get enough fragments.
The question is when to farm it and what combat style is the best for that. The main point of contention is whether to farm it before or after the Volcanic Cave because this dungeon is farmed with a Melee build and is vital for idling the Air God Dungeon.
To answer these questions, we will consider the following builds:
- Surge magic,
- Rapier melee,
- Slicing Winds magic,
- Glacia magic.
These builds were chosen to show the changes that the various drops bring into farming the Pegasus. The ranged builds were not considered because the Pegasus is Melee and has the highest evasion against Ranged in addition to the Combat Triangle.
In the considered situations, no prayers, potions, or other buffs are enabled unless specified.
The skill levels are given so that you can replicate the simulations in the Combat Simulator.
The Auto Eat - Tier III is used.
The Whale (Perfect) was used as a food of choice because it was considered a middle ground between starting out and being fully leveled out in Firemaking, Fishing, Farming, and Cooking.
The ring slot is always occupied with Magical Ring.
Builds
The simulations were done for Hardcore with all skills on level 75.
All intermediate steps can be found in this spreadsheet (link).
Surge magic
Item | DR |
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Slayer Wizard Hat (Strong) | 0% |
Slayer Wizard Robes (Strong) | 0% |
Fire Expert Wizard Bottoms | 5% |
Fire Expert Wizard Boots | 5% |
Miolite Shield | 2% |
Enchanted Cape | 0% |
Amulet of Magic | 0% |
Paladin Gloves | 4% |
Magic Wand (Powerful) | 0% |
Total | 16% |
The grind time with this build is 122 hour.
However, pay attention that it would be more than 283 hours without the Slayer gear.
Rapier melee
Item | DR |
---|---|
Slayer Helmet (Strong) | 0% |
Slayer Platebody (Strong) | 0% |
(G) Dragon Platelegs | 6% |
(G) Dragon Boots | 6% |
(G) Dragon Shield | 6% |
Promotion or Glory | 0% |
Paladin Gloves | 4% |
Sunset Rapier | 0% |
Total | 22% |
The grind time with this build is 67 hours.
If you don't use the Slayer gear, the grind time with this build will be 142 hours.
Slicing Winds magic
Item | DR |
---|---|
Ancient Wizard Hat | 5% |
Ancient Wizard Robes | 5% |
Ancient Wizard Bottoms | 5% |
Ancient Wizard Boots | 5% |
Miolite Shield | 2% |
Skull Cape | 3% |
Elite Amulet of Magic | 2% |
Elementalist Gloves | 0% |
Magic Wand (Powerful) | 0% |
Total | 24% |
Your first goal with this build is to reach 20k accuracy for Slicing Winds, which means the spell won't miss at all. Therefore, while the build only requires Level 72 at minimum, you will need at most level Level 93 or multiple Accuracy bonuses from various other skills to achieve 20k Accuracy Rating, including:
Surge I or Surge II can be used if you can afford them.
Worth noting that using a Mystic Air Staff will drastically reduce the amount of runes spent - especially while using Surge Auroras. The staff will be slower, and will require more
Warning: Swapping Miolite Shield to Book of Eli will not positively affect your kill times that much, while also forcing you to spend more runes/time Runecrafting.
The grind time with this build is 48 hours. The slayer gear doesn't add to the clear speed in this case.
Glacia magic
Item | DR |
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Glacia God Helmet | 8% |
Glacia God Platebody | 8% |
Glacia God Platelegs | 8% |
Glacia God Boots | 8% |
Glacia God Gloves | 8% |
Miolite Shield | 2% |
Infernal Cape | 4% |
Elite Amulet of Magic | 2% |
Magic Wand (Powerful) | 0% |
Total | 48% |
The grind time with this build is 44 hours.
However, this build implies that you go through the Air God Dungeon with Sunset Rapier, which is a sizeable loss of DPS that will cost you more than 4 hours of the difference between this build and the Slicing Winds build.
Analysis
Essentially, we want to know which of two sequences is faster:
- Rapier > Claw > Volcano,
- Rapier > Volcano > Claw.
Full-Sunset Volcano vs Full-Claw Volcano
Let's consider the builds Rapier and Slicing Winds.
The difference between their timings of completing the claw is 19 hours.
The Volcano grind of the full ancient set is longer with the with Sunset Rapier than it is with the Claw.
The question is then if the difference between the rapier and the claw in the Volcanic grind is bigger than 19 hours.
We know the length of "Rapier > Claw" and "Volcano > Claw", but we need the data on "Rapier > Volcano" and "Claw > Volcano".
We take this data from Volcanic Cave/Guide#Weapon choice.
Item | Adjusted clears per hour |
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Sunset Rapier | 5.204 |
Ancient Claw | 5.412 |
The goal of clearing the Volcanic Cave is to get the ancient set.
As specified on in the Volcanic Cave/Guide, you need 1350 clears to almost certainly get a full set of Ancient armor or 832 clears to have a 75% chance. The median (50% or results) is 564 clears.
Item | Adjusted clears per hour | 564 clears (h) | 832 clears (h) | 1350 clears (h) |
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Sunset Rapier | 5.204 | 108.4 | 160 | 259.4 |
Ancient Claw | 5.412 | 104.2 | 153.7 | 249.5 |
Difference (h) | 4.2 | 6.3 | 10.1 |
The biggest difference is 10 hours. It means that Rapier>Volcano>Claw is faster than Rapier>Claw>Volcano by at least 9 hours.
However, what if we were to use the Ancient Magicks as soon as we unlock it?
Sunset/Ancient Volcano vs Claw/Ancient Volcano
It is possible to clear the Volcano using the Ancient Magicks with the build from Volcanic Cave/Guide#100-Volcanoes Magic. Pay attention that you need 37% DR with 920 HP to idle it. That amount of DR is reached either through the Stone Skin prayer or through the DR potion II. Without prayer or potions, you need 940 HP.
If we consider that we clear only 100 Volcanoes as a melee build and the rest as the 100-Volcanoes Magic build, then we compare the two sequences:
- Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes,
- 100 Rapier Volcanoes + Claw farm with Ancient Magicks.
Item | Adjusted clears per hour | 100 clears (h) |
---|---|---|
Sunset Rapier | 5.204 | 52.04 |
Ancient Claw | 5.412 | 54.12 |
Difference (h) | 2.08 |
In other words, the advantage of farming 100 Volcanic Caves with the Ancient Claw when compared to the Sunset Rapier is 2 hours.
Now we consider the rearranged sum of what we compare:
- Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes,
- Claw farm with Slicing Winds + 100 Rapier Volcanoes.
We subtract the second row from the first one and get
[math]\displaystyle{ 19 - 2.08 = 16.92 }[/math]
In other words the sequence where we farm the Claw after the Volcano is faster than the sequence of farming the claw with Rapier by 17 hours.
Conclusion
Farm the Ancient Claw with the Slicing Winds build right after you finish 100 Volcanic Caves. Don't forget to enable the Surge aurora.
If you cannot use this build for some reason, then use the Rapier melee build with Slayer gear.
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