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==Analysis==
==Analysis==
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Essentially, we want to know which of two sequences is faster:
Essentially, we want to know which of two sequences is faster:
* Rapier > Claw > Volcano,
* Rapier > Claw > Volcano,
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====Full-Sunset Volcano vs Full-Claw Volcano====
====Full-Sunset Volcano vs Full-Claw Volcano====
Let's consider the Sunset Rapier and Glacia builds.
Let's consider the Sunset Rapier and Ancient Magick builds.


The difference between their timings of completing the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} is 27 hours.
The difference between their timings of completing the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} is 17 hours.


The Volcano grind of the full {{ItemIcon|(G) Ancient Helmet|ancient}} set is longer with the with {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} than it is with the Claw.
The Volcano grind of the full {{ItemIcon|(G) Ancient Helmet|ancient}} set is longer with the with {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} than it is with the Claw.


The question is then if the difference between the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier|rapier}} and the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} in the Volcanic grind is bigger than 27 hours.  
The question is then if the difference between the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier|rapier}} and the {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} in the Volcanic grind is bigger than 17 hours.  


We know the length of "Raper > Claw" and "Volcano > Claw", but we need the data on "Rapier > Volcano" and "Claw > Volcano".
We know the length of "Raper > Claw" and "Volcano > Claw", but we need the data on "Rapier > Volcano" and "Claw > Volcano".
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As you see from the Difference row, even the 50% chance still gives the 4-hour advantage if you get the Claw before the Volcanic Cave.
As you see from the Difference row, even the 50% chance leaves the option of getting the Claw after the Volcanic Cave in a 12-hour disadvantage.


Therefore, if you farm the Volcanic Cave completely with the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} and then farm the Claw with Glacia, the sum of the Volcanic and Claw farm will be larger than if you were to farm the Claw with the Rapier and then doing the Volcanic Cave. And we didn't even consider the time loss of doing the {{ZoneIcon|Air God Dungeon}} with the Rapier instead of the Claw.
Therefore, if you farm the Volcanic Cave completely with the {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier}} and then farm the Claw with Ancient Magick, the sum of the Volcanic and Claw farm will be larger than if you were to farm the Claw with the Rapier and then doing the Volcanic Cave.


However, what if we were to use the [[Ancient Magicks]] as soon as we unlock it?
However, what if we were to use the [[Ancient Magicks]] as soon as we unlock it?
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and then subtract the second row from the first one, then we would get
and then subtract the second row from the first one, then we would get


<math>27 - 4.87 = 22.13</math>
<math>17 - 4.87 = 12.13</math>


In other words the sequence where we farm the Claw after the Volcano is faster than the sequence of farming the claw with Rapier by 22 hours.
In other words the sequence where we farm the Claw after the Volcano is faster than the sequence of farming the claw with Rapier by 12 hours.


==Conclusion==
==Conclusion==
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