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TL;DR
Farm the Ancient Claw with the 
Ancient Magick build right after you finish 100 
Volcanic Caves.
Introduction
Ancient Claw is largely the best melee weapon that does not require late-game content to obtain.
The Ancient Claw is assembled from the 
fragments that drop only from the 
Pegasus. You need to kill 3333 Pegasi on average to get enough fragments.
The question is when to farm it and what combat style is the best for that. The main point of contention is whether to farm it before or after the Volcanic Cave because this dungeon is farmed with a Melee build and is vital for idling the 
Air God Dungeon.
To answer these questions, we will consider the following builds:
Surge magic,
Sunset Rapier melee,- Slicing Winds,
- Slicing Winds in
Glacia.
These builds were chosen to show the changes that the various drops bring into farming the Pegasus. The ranged builds were not considered because the Pegasus is 
Melee and has the highest evasion against 
Ranged in addition to the Combat Triangle.
In the considered situations, no prayers, potions, or other buffs are enabled unless specified.
The skill levels are given so that you can replicate the simulations in the Combat Simulator.
The 
Auto Eat - Tier III is used.
The 
Whale (Perfect) was used as a food of choice because it was considered a middle ground between starting out and being fully leveled out in Firemaking, Fishing, Farming, and Cooking.
The ring slot is always occupied with 
Magical Ring.
Builds
Surge magic
| Item | DR |
|---|---|
 Slayer Wizard Hat (Strong)
|
0% |
 Slayer Wizard Robes (Strong)
|
0% |
 Fire Expert Wizard Bottoms
|
5% |
 Fire Expert Wizard Boots
|
5% |
 Miolite Shield
|
2% |
 Enchanted Cape
|
0% |
 Amulet of Magic
|
0% |
 Paladin Gloves
|
4% |
 Magic Wand (Powerful)
|
0% |
| Total | 16% |
| Details |
|---|
| Fire Surge is used with Combination Runes. All skills are at level 75.
The simulation results are:
[math]\displaystyle{ T_c = 163 * 18.875 = 3077 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ T_m = (N * 7 * (1 + 2/16 + 2/16) / 16 + N / 16) * 1.3 = N / 16 * (8.75 + 1) * 1.3 = N * 12.675 / 16 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ T_r = N * 9.75 * 2 / 16 = N * 9.75 / 8 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ N = 1307 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ T_m = 1307 * 12.675 / 16 = 1035 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ T_r = 1307 * 9.75 / 8 = 1593 }[/math] The adjusted time [math]\displaystyle{ A_{start} = T_{all} / D_h = (3600 + 3077 + 1035 + 1593) / 67.7 = 137.5 }[/math] In other words, the time that is required to get all resources for killing one Pegasus and to actually kill it is 400 seconds. The overall time to get all resources and kill all Pegasi is [math]\displaystyle{ 137.5 * 3333 / 3600 = 127 \text{ hours}. }[/math] The calculations in this whole guide don't take the Pegasus respawn time of 4 seconds into the account. It doesn't affect the ratio between the methods. If you want to add them, go ahead. |
The overall time to get all resources and kill all Pegasi is 127 hours. However, pay attention that without the Slayer gear, it will be 371 hours.
Sunset Rapier melee
| Item | DR |
|---|---|
 Slayer Helmet (Strong)
|
0% |
 Slayer Platebody (Strong)
|
0% |
 (G) Dragon Platelegs
|
6% |
 (G) Dragon Boots
|
6% |
 (G) Dragon Shield
|
6% |
 Promotion or  Glory
|
0% |
| Paladin Gloves
|
4% |
| Sunset Rapier
|
0% |
| Total | 22% |
| Details |
|---|
| All skills are at level 75.
The simulation results are:
[math]\displaystyle{ T_c = 49.4 * 18.875 = 932.4 }[/math] The adjusted time [math]\displaystyle{ A_{ship} = (3600 + 932.4) / 61.6 = 73.6 }[/math] The overall time is [math]\displaystyle{ 73.6 * 3333 / 3600 = 68 \text{ hours}. }[/math] |
The overall grind time with this build is 68 hours. However, pay attention that if you don't use the Slayer gear, the overall time with this build will be 148 hours.
Ancient Magick
| Item | DR |
|---|---|
 Ancient Wizard Hat
|
5% |
 Ancient Wizard Robes
|
5% |
 Ancient Wizard Bottoms
|
5% |
 Ancient Wizard Boots
|
5% |
| Miolite Shield
|
2% |
| Enchanted Cape
|
0% |
 Elite Amulet of Magic
|
2% |
 Elementalist Gloves
|
0% |
| Magic Wand (Powerful)
|
0% |
| Total | 24% |
| Details |
|---|
All skills are at level 75 except  Level 91. With the following setup, you should have exactly 20k accuracy on Slicing Winds, they cannot miss now.
The simulation results with the
[math]\displaystyle{ T_c = 107.9 * 18.875 = 2037 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ T_m = (N * 4 + N) / 16 * 1.3 = N * 5 / 16 * 1.3 = N * 6.5 / 16 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ T_r = N * 5 * 2 / 16 = N * 5 / 8 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ N = 4905 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ T_m = 4905 * 6.5 / 16 = 1993 }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ T_r = 4905 * 5 / 8 = 3066 }[/math] The adjusted time [math]\displaystyle{ A_{volcano} = T_{all} / D_h = (3600 + 2037 + 1993 + 3066) / 196.2 = 54.52 }[/math] The overall time is [math]\displaystyle{ 54.52 * 3333 / 3600 = 50.48 \text{ hours}. }[/math]
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The overall grind time with this build is 51 hours. The slayer gear doesn't add to the clear speed in this case.
Overall, you want to put as much DR and Melee defence as possible when maintaining the 20k accuracy.
For instance, if you have Level 93 with the build above, you can swap Enchanted Cape with 
Fire Cape and reduce the food consumption even further.
The rune mining and crafting take the bulk of the time, so you might want to use all preservation and doubling bonuses that you have.
Ancient Magick in Glacia
| Item | DR |
|---|---|
| Glacia God Helmet
|
8% |
 Glacia God Platebody
|
8% |
 Glacia God Platelegs
|
8% |
 Glacia God Boots
|
8% |
 Glacia God Gloves
|
8% |
| Miolite Shield
|
2% |
 Infernal Cape
|
4% |
| Elite Amulet of Magic
|
2% |
| Magic Wand (Powerful)
|
0% |
| Total | 48% |
| Details |
|---|
The levels are the same as in the Volcanic build. Due to Ancient Magic not benefiting from gear, the build was aimed to cram as much DR and melee evasion as possible. If you have Level 95, you should be able to swap for  Elite Amulet of Defence while still having the required 20k accuracy.
The simulation results are:
As the number of runes is the same, [math]\displaystyle{ T_m = 1993. }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ T_r = 3066. }[/math] [math]\displaystyle{ T_c = 47.7 * 18.875 = 900.3 }[/math] The adjusted time [math]\displaystyle{ A_{glacia} = T_{all} / D_h = (3600 + 900.3 + 1993 + 3066) / 196.2 = 48.72 }[/math] The overall time is [math]\displaystyle{ 48.72 * 3333 / 3600 = 45.1 \text{ hours}. }[/math] |
The overall grind time with this build is 45 hours. But this build implies that you go through the Air God Dungeon with Sunset Rapier, which is a sizeable loss of DPS that will cost you more than 6 hours of the difference between this build and the Ancient Magick build.
Analysis
Essentially, we want to know which of two sequences is faster:
- Rapier > Claw > Volcano,
- Rapier > Volcano > Claw.
Full-Sunset Volcano vs Full-Claw Volcano
Let's consider the Sunset Rapier and Ancient Magick builds.
The difference between their timings of completing the claw is 17 hours.
The Volcano grind of the full 
ancient set is longer with the with Sunset Rapier than it is with the Claw.
The question is then if the difference between the rapier and the claw in the Volcanic grind is bigger than 17 hours.
We know the length of "Raper > Claw" and "Volcano > Claw", but we need the data on "Rapier > Volcano" and "Claw > Volcano".
We take this data from Volcanic Cave/Guide#Weapon choice.
| Item | Adjusted clear time (s) |
|---|---|
| Sunset Rapier
|
1892 |
| Ancient Claw
|
1717 |
The goal of clearing the Volcanic Cave is to get the ancient set.
As specified on in the Volcanic Cave/Guide, you need 1350 clears to almost certainly get a full set of Ancient armor or 832 clears to have a 75% chance. The median (50% or results) is 564 clears.
| Item | Adjusted clear time (clears/h) | 564 clears (h) | 832 clears (h) | 1350 clears (h) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sunset Rapier
|
1.9027 | 296.4 | 437 | 710 |
| Ancient Claw
|
2.0967 | 267 | 397 | 644 |
| Difference (h) | 29 | 40 | 66 |
As you see from the Difference row, even the 50% chance leaves the option of getting the Claw after the Volcanic Cave in a 12-hour disadvantage.
Therefore, if you farm the Volcanic Cave completely with the Sunset Rapier and then farm the Claw with Ancient Magick, the sum of the Volcanic and Claw farm will be larger than if you were to farm the Claw with the Rapier and then doing the Volcanic Cave.
However, what if we were to use the Ancient Magicks as soon as we unlock it?
Sunset/Ancient Volcano vs Claw/Ancient Volcano
It is possible to clear the Volcano using the Ancient Magicks with the build from Volcanic Cave/Guide#100-Volcanoes Magic. Pay attention that you need 37% DR with 920 
HP to idle it. That amount of DR is reached either through the 
Stone Skin prayer or through the 
DR potion II.
If we consider that we clear only 100 Volcanoes as a melee build and the rest as the 100-Volcanoes Magic build, then we compare the two sequences:
- Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes,
- 100 Rapier Volcanoes + Claw farm with Ancient Magicks.
| Item | Adjusted clear time (clears/h) | 100 clears (h) |
|---|---|---|
| Sunset Rapier
|
1.9027 | 52.56 |
| Ancient Claw
|
2.0967 | 47.69 |
| Difference (h) | 4.87 | |
In other words, the advantage of farming 100 Volcanic Caves with the Claw when compared to the Sunset Rapier is less than 5 hours.
If we consider the rearranged sum of what we compare
- Claw farm with Rapier + 100 Claw Volcanoes,
- Claw farm with Ancient Magicks + 100 Rapier Volcanoes.
and then subtract the second row from the first one, then we would get
[math]\displaystyle{ 17 - 4.87 = 12.13 }[/math]
In other words the sequence where we farm the Claw after the Volcano is faster than the sequence of farming the claw with Rapier by 12 hours.
Conclusion
Farm the Ancient Claw with the Ancient Magicks build right after you finish 100 Volcanic Caves.
If you cannot get the Ancient Magick build for some reason, then use the Rapier melee build with Slayer gear.
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