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The overall time <math>T_{all}</math> is calculated by the sum of one hour plus the time required to produce the {{ItemIcon|Crab|Crabs}} <math>T_c</math>, mine essence <math>T_m</math>, and create runes <math>T_r</math>. All measured in seconds. The number of spent {{ItemIcon|Ancient Rune|Ancient}} runes is noted as <math>N</math>.
The overall time <math>T_{all}</math> is calculated by the sum of one hour plus the time required to produce the {{ItemIcon|Crab|Crabs}} <math>T_c</math>, mine essence <math>T_m</math>, and create runes <math>T_r</math>. All measured in seconds. The number of spent {{ItemIcon|Ancient Rune|Ancient}} runes is noted as <math>N</math>.


The {{ItemIcon|Crab|Crabs}} fishing time is 3.825 seconds and cooking time is 7 seconds.  
The {{ItemIcon|Crab}} total preparation time is 6.9 seconds per Crab.


The {{Icon|Fire Surge|type=spell}} with the combination runes is used.
The {{Icon|Fire Surge|type=spell}} with the combination runes is used.
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<math>T_r = N * 9.75 * 2 / 16 = N * 9.75 / 8</math>
<math>T_r = N * 9.75 * 2 / 16 = N * 9.75 / 8</math>


You can check out the intermediate steps with the following Google Sheet ([https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wpcsRfkIDdK5nDsD_MuKgsLrXirqjrzqCHL3SA8Z7s4/edit#gid=0 link]).


The {{ItemIcon|Magic Wand (Powerful)|magic}} build, <math>A_{magic}</math>:
The {{ItemIcon|Magic Wand (Powerful)|magic}} inputs are 1060 crabs, 1205 ancient runes, and 16 dungeons per hour.<br>
The adjusted clear time is 609 seconds per clear.


<math>T_c = 1060 * (7 + 3.825) = 11475</math>


<math>T_m = 1205 * 12.675 / 16 = 955</math>
The {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier|rapier}} inputs are 655 crabs and 9.8 dungeons per hour.<br>
The adjusted clear time is 462 seconds per clear.


<math>T_r = 1205 * 9.75 / 8 = 1469</math>


<math>T_{all} = 3600 + T_c + T_m + T_r = 3600 + 11475 + 955 + 1469 = 17499</math>
The {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} inputs are 626 crabs and 10.7 dungeons per hour.<br>
The adjusted clear time is 404 seconds per clear.


<math>D_h = 16</math>
The Advanced Magic build inputs are 1000 crabs, 1170 ancient runes, and 20 dungeons per hour.<br>
 
The adjusted clear time is 463 seconds per clear.
<math>A_{magic} = T_{all} / D_h = 17499 / 16 = 1094</math>
 
 
The {{ItemIcon|Sunset Rapier|rapier}} build, <math>A_{rapier}</math>:
 
<math>T_c = 655 * 10.825 = 7091</math>
 
<math>T_{all} = 3600 + T_c + T_m + T_r = 3600 + 7091 + 0 + 0 = 10691 </math>
 
<math>D_h = 9.8</math>
 
<math>A_{rapier} = T_{all} / D_h = 10691 / 9.8 = 1091</math>
 
 
The {{ItemIcon|Ancient Claw|claw}} build, <math>A_{claw}</math>:
 
<math>T_c = 626 * 10.825 = 6777</math>
 
<math>T_{all} = 3600 + T_c + T_m + T_r = 3600 + 6777 + 0 + 0 = 10377</math>
 
<math>D_h = 10.7</math>
 
<math>A_{claw} = T_{all} / D_h = 10377 / 10.7 = 970</math>
 
The Advanced Magic build, <math>A_{AdvMagic}</math>:
 
<math>T_c = 1000 * 10.825 = 10825</math>
 
<math>T_m = 1170 * 12.675 / 16 = 927</math>
 
<math>T_r = 1170 * 9.75 / 8 = 1426</math>
 
<math>T_{all} = 3600 + T_c + T_m + T_r = 3600 + 10825 + 927 + 1426 = 16778</math>
 
<math>D_h = 20</math>
 
<math>A_{AdvMagic} = T_{all} / D_h = 16778 / 20 = 839</math>
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As you see, the Advanced Magic build clears faster than the Claw build by 13% and has many options to be improved further.
It is assumed that the Advanced Magic build would equal the Ancient Claw build if resource preservation were to be accounted for.
 
Therefore, the Advanced Magic build is suggested.


Therefore, both Advanced Magic and Ancient Claw builds are recommended depending on what you want to train.


====Food expenditure====
====Food expenditure====
The bulk of time is spent on preparing food, so it's heavily recommended to level your food-producing methods when possible. As an example,  
The bulk of time is spent on preparing food, so it's heavily recommended to level your food-producing methods when possible. As an example, with some upgrades ({{ItemIcon|Fishing Skillcape}}, {{ItemIcon|Cooking Skillcape}}, 99 mastery, top fishing rod, {{ItemIcon|Amulet of Fishing}}), the fishing and cooking times are the following:
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| {{ItemIcon|Whale (Perfect)}}
| {{ItemIcon|Whale (Perfect)}}
| 7.875
| 1.97
| 11
| 9.35
| 580
| 580
| 30.73
| 51.24
|-
|-
| {{ItemIcon|Crab}}
| {{ItemIcon|Crab}}
| 3.825
| 0.96
| 7
| 5.95
| 150
| 150
| 13.86
| 21.7
|}
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In other words, if you prepare Whales instead of Crabs, you would double your food-prep speed, which is a huge boost to the clear time.
In other words, if you prepare Whales instead of Crabs, you would more than double your speed of food preparation, which is a huge boost to the clear time.


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Revision as of 14:07, 3 January 2022

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Why clear Dragons Den?

Dragons Den is usually cleared for the Ancient Crossbow, (U) Ancient D-hide Vambraces, and (U) Ancient D-hide Shield because they are wanted for the Air and Water God Dungeons.

Other parts of the Ancient set are of little importance because you will use the Aeris God Armour for the Water God Dungeon. Keep them only if you didn't already get your Ranged to level 85.

Gear to idle

Because all enemies in Dragons Den are Melee, it is advised to use a Magic or Melee build due to the Combat Triangle.

This guide assumes that you have Auto Eat - Tier III. Crabs were used as a food of choice to reflect the approximate cooking level at the time of clearing the dungeon.

The simulations are run on a character with lvl 80 in all combat skills except Hitpoints.

Due to the wide range of cases, it is recommended to use the Combat Simulator to compare the options tailored for your situation.

The ring slot in the given builds is free. It is suggested to use Ring of Wealth if you have it or Aorpheat's Signet Ring otherwise.


Basic Magic

Below is a basic build that needs Runecrafting Level 90 to create, Magic Level 78 to wear, and 830 HP to idle.

The spell of choice is Fire Surge with combination runes.

Item Slot DR%
Fire Expert Wizard Hat Head 5%
Fire Expert Wizard Robes Body 5%
Fire Expert Wizard Bottoms Leggings 5%
Fire Expert Wizard Boots Boots 5%
Paladin Gloves Hands 4%
Magic Wand (Powerful) Weapon 0%
Total 24%

This build's clear speed is 16 dungeons per hour with 1060 Crabs and 9650 runes.

The adjusted clear time is 1094 seconds per dungeon.

Melee

The following build needs Smithing Level 99 to create, Attack Level 70 to wear, and 780 HP to idle.

Item Slot DR%
(G) Dragon Helmet Head 6%
(G) Dragon Platebody Body 6%
(G) Dragon Platelegs Leggings 6%
(G) Dragon Boots Boots 6%
(G) Dragon Shield Off-hand 6%
Paladin Gloves Hands 4%
Promotion or Glory Neck 0%
Sunset Rapier Weapon 0%
Total 34%

The clear speed of this build is 9.8 dungeons per hour with 655 Crabs.

The adjusted clear time is 1091 seconds per dungeon.

With the Ancient Claw, it is 10.7 dungeons per hour with 626 Crabs and the adjusted clear time being 970 seconds per dungeon.


Advanced Magic

For comparison, here's the magic build that takes less time to acquire than the Ancient Claw and needs 860 HP to idle.

Item Slot DR%
Fire Expert Wizard Hat Head 5%
Fire Expert Wizard Robes Body 5%
Fire Expert Wizard Bottoms Leggings 5%
Fire Expert Wizard Boots Boots 5%
Magic Wand (Powerful) Weapon 0%
Enchanted Cape Cape 0%
Elite Amulet of Defence Neck 2%
Book of Eli Off-hand 0%
Elementalist Gloves Hands 0%
Total 22%

The clear speed of this build is 20 dungeons per hour with 1000 Crabs and 9350 runes.

Adjusted clear time

Adjusted clear time is the time it takes to prepare all needed food and runes plus the time of the clear itself.

Build Seconds per clear
Basic Magic 1094
Sunset Rapier 1091
Ancient Claw 970
Advanced Magic 839
Details
Adjusted clear time [math]\displaystyle{ A }[/math] is calculated by dividing the overall time [math]\displaystyle{ T_{all} }[/math] by the number of dungeons [math]\displaystyle{ D_h }[/math] cleared per one hour.

The overall time [math]\displaystyle{ T_{all} }[/math] is calculated by the sum of one hour plus the time required to produce the Crabs [math]\displaystyle{ T_c }[/math], mine essence [math]\displaystyle{ T_m }[/math], and create runes [math]\displaystyle{ T_r }[/math]. All measured in seconds. The number of spent Ancient runes is noted as [math]\displaystyle{ N }[/math].

The Crab total preparation time is 6.9 seconds per Crab.

The Fire Surge with the combination runes is used.

The approximate Adventure situation is taken for Runecrafting. In particular, Mining Gloves and Elemental Potion are not used. The Runecrafting 95% milestone of the mastery pool is active, and the runes have 99 mastery, meaning that 16 runes are produced per two seconds. No rune preservation or doubling.

The mining time is the one with the Dragon Pickaxe upgrade - 1.3 seconds. The number of needed essence considers all runes used in crafting: Essence, Air, Fire, Smoke and Ancient runes.

[math]\displaystyle{ T_m = N * (7 * (1 + 2/16 + 2/16) / 16 + 1 / 16) * 1.3 = N / 16 * (8.75 + 1) * 1.3 = N * 12.675 / 16 }[/math]

For [math]\displaystyle{ T_r }[/math] compared to [math]\displaystyle{ T_m }[/math], the only difference is that the number of mined essence is multiplied by 2 instead of 1.3.

[math]\displaystyle{ T_r = N * 9.75 * 2 / 16 = N * 9.75 / 8 }[/math]

You can check out the intermediate steps with the following Google Sheet (link).

The magic inputs are 1060 crabs, 1205 ancient runes, and 16 dungeons per hour.
The adjusted clear time is 609 seconds per clear.


The rapier inputs are 655 crabs and 9.8 dungeons per hour.
The adjusted clear time is 462 seconds per clear.


The claw inputs are 626 crabs and 10.7 dungeons per hour.
The adjusted clear time is 404 seconds per clear.

The Advanced Magic build inputs are 1000 crabs, 1170 ancient runes, and 20 dungeons per hour.
The adjusted clear time is 463 seconds per clear.

It is assumed that the Advanced Magic build would equal the Ancient Claw build if resource preservation were to be accounted for.

Therefore, both Advanced Magic and Ancient Claw builds are recommended depending on what you want to train.

Food expenditure

The bulk of time is spent on preparing food, so it's heavily recommended to level your food-producing methods when possible. As an example, with some upgrades ( Fishing Skillcape, Cooking Skillcape, 99 mastery, top fishing rod, Amulet of Fishing), the fishing and cooking times are the following:

Food Fishing time (s) Cooking time (s) HP HP per second
Whale (Perfect) 1.97 9.35 580 51.24
Crab 0.96 5.95 150 21.7

In other words, if you prepare Whales instead of Crabs, you would more than double your speed of food preparation, which is a huge boost to the clear time.


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